Just recently I have been reflecting on the way I use the internet to communicate with others and how it has changed over the years and especially in the last two years how I have moved from looking at and contributing to BDSM related forums to using more social media centric sites such as twitter and Facebook.
Back in about 2001 I think, a new site appeared in the UK that was focussed very specifically on the Pro-Domme scene to offer a listings service and message board that soon morphed into a very active forum with a huge amount of debate on the many aspects of BDSM taking place. You could freely express your views and felt safe that you were not going to be shot down in flames from others just because your views were different from the others.
But of course, that could not last. The site grew and grew to over 5000 members. Some just to browse and read the reviews section (you had to be a member to access that particular part of the board) but many started to post to vehemently oppose the opinion of the original poster. People would create multiple identities and owners of other boards would come to post their own views and try to promote their board. The board had, for many, became a place where they could hide and express themselves in the way they wanted to be seen rather than they way they actually were. Many, who had so little experience, tried to tell those when many years experience how their views were the only one worth considering and any other point of view was not worth considering. Others became emotionally attached to the board, dragging other members into their shoddy lives and forming little cliques or them and us. If you were not part of the clique then you did not count. Moderators left in disgust and shame as the board just went into decline and I, along with many others took the decision that we it was not worth being a member and just left. Stopped posting and moved on with our lives. I was, amongst the submissive males there, one of a minority who was actually active in the BDSM scene that actually existed in real life. I was (and still am) a regular club goer and party attendee. I played on a regular basis both one-2-one and in groups and of course had my strong exhibitionist streak catered to by appearing in fetish films.
For about a year or so, I maintained an online silence not even looking at the newly re-incarnated version of the board. I did not miss it and to be honest found it quite good that I was not looking at board constantly, paranoid that I would miss something.
Then, about three years ago I found twitter and it was if a totally new world had opened up. Here was a place where I could be who I am with little fear of criticism. I could choose who I wanted to speak with and follow. No more putting up with people who I did not like. I found people I knew, had met and who I wanted to meet. But how was if different to a message board or forum. Why was it so different. It took a little while before it really came to me and it was the need to compress your thoughts into 140 characters, to put your thoughts into a short message. It was far more conversational than a forum where people would and still do regularly write essay length opinions. Twitter of course has its downsides. It can of course become addictive seeing how many followers you get, how many retweets you get etc. But with twitter I find I can leave it and just dip into it when I want. I can just read it and never respond or I can engage in lengthy conversations with others. Then of course there is Facebook.
Facebook is my very public persona and actually I have two Facebook accounts. One very very vanilla with family, friends from work etc. The other, well that is totally fetish centric. Again, I send friend requests to people I know in the fetish scene and in turn receive requests. The two (twitter and Facebook) co-exist to form good public profile that I control and others interact with. There are no arguments, no flaming wars, no bickering. The message board offered me none of that. Each post I made ran the risk of being jumped on or attacked and I found myself self-moderating my posts and becoming someone very different to who I wanted to be or indeed was.
As I write this I start to think about this blog and what it represents. I suppose in some ways it could almost be seen as a replacement for my posting on forums. In some ways I suppose it is but I find I can be far more expressive here than I ever was on the forums and believe me, I was pretty expressive there.
So am I alone in my thought? I realise I have not really answered the question but I do see that most boards seem to have declined in activity and the active users count is pretty low on most boards. They have, in many ways, become ubiquitous and with Mistresses, listing sites and many others all setting up forums as it was seen the right thing to do. But now we have Facebook pages and to a lesser degree now, MySpace. We have twitter and we have a far more tolerant social media site in Fetlife that we ever had before. So, yes, I do believe Forums are dead but they will never really die as there will always be those who want to show the world that your opinion is the wrong opinion no matter what.
6 comments:
I agree with you totally here.
I'm a member of numerous fetish community sites...where I have a profile and blog.
I never actually get involved in any of the forum posts etc...I'm not sure why I never do, it's not through not having much to say because as you know from My twitter feed that I have PLENTY to say...however I think it's because I really can't be bothered to get into a slanging match with anyone that doesn't share My views...as to be honest that's all I seem to mainly see on forums.
On Twitter I can say and do as I like without being 'moderated' and if people don't like it, they can simply 'unfollow' Me.
I have actually communicated with far more people via Twitter than I have any 'community' site ever.
I <3 Twitter
Bondage.com used to be my site of choice. Back in the day. Haven't posted there for eons. In and out of IC, but lost interest. Fetlife I kinda like, but I generally can't be arsed. Haven't Twatted in ages. FB just everyday life. And the general junk goes on LJ. I have profiles everywhere, and I really have no idea what for. However, I never add peeps I've not met. In a way, I'd like more time to communicate via the written word. In many other ways, I'm glad I don't have the time.
I'm confused as to how you are defining 'forum'.
Wikipedia (yes, a dodgy source I know!):"An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages."
I'd call Fetlife a huge forum, with discussion groups and the group I co-mod for "Submissive Men and the Women Who Love Them" there, it has over 20,000 members and is pretty active.
Are the CollarMe discussion boards a forum by your definition? They seem to be pretty active also.
I assume I am missing the point because your definition of a forum is narrower?
Ferns
Ferns, I stand by my view that even with 20,000 members (how many are actually active and have posted more then 3 messages is a much more relevant consideration) that forums when compared to the likes of twitter are of no comparison. As for Collarme.. well see my early post on that den of fraud.
And of course, I had to go and look..(it's the inner maths geek that makes me do this, sorry)
20,136 members
3,261 discussions
82,171 comments.
So, on average each member has posted 4.08 times. But I would bet that actually close to 65,750 comments have been made by close to 650 people leaving the other 2600 or so not really contributing anything. With Twitter, I only follow people who make regular contributions and have something relevant to say about the lifestyle I choose to live..
I have to point out to your inner math geek that the membership is growing, so to properly analyse the numbers, you would have to figure out the AVERAGE number over the period (not the max that it is now, and it is consistently increasing, which means that the percentage gets smaller and smaller unless every new person posts, which you and I both know doesn't happen) and *then* do the math *laugh*.
Having math geeked over it (it's a diversion, and not my point), it is always the case that many lurk, and fewer post, absolutely, but then, is it your contention that in the 'BDSM forum heyday', the percentage of people posting was higher? Because *that's* the measure of 'having had their day', surely? People not joining them (obviously not true) + fewer people posting (this is debateable, no?).
I understand your point about Twitter, but surely the argument has to be in the decline of the discussion forums.
Ferns
I did consider the length of time the board had been going and the number of members and taking into account a early joining spike but without access to the data of when people joined I could not do the work. But my point still stands that participation in boards if sliding and other mediums are increasing.
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